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A: Well, here we are. The beginning of a spork both anticipated and dreaded. For anyone new to the comm, I’m Anya, semi-scholarly snarker and author of the long-running deconstruction-reconstruction fic Consequence. I am also, as anyone around here already knows, a big fan of Murtagh the character, so my fellow mods and I have decided that I’ll be taking the lead on the sporking of the book where Paolini does everything in his power to fuck him up.


Speaking of my fellow mods, they’re here to delve into this with me. Epistler, Torylltales, say hello to the readers!


TT: Atra mor'ranr lifa unin hjarta onr. That’s Paolini’s ‘Ancient Language’ for “may peace live in your heart”. If what I’ve seen in previews and my own skimming is any indication, we’re all going to need a lot of peace in our hearts to get through this without damaging something.


E: I promised we’d be back and now the time has come. Chinook and I are, ironically, in a similar position to Murtagh and Thorn: on the run and hoping to avoid being found by Eragon and Saphira since we absconded from their godawful “Academy”. No doubt Nasidiot’s goons are after us too, and I don’t like to think of what they might do to us if they catch us. But we’re more than happy to be here, albeit via magic mirror. Soon revenge will be ours. As for the stranger who helped us escape… but I’m getting ahead of myself.


A: If you’re not sure what’s happening there, you can go check out Epistler’s sporking of the Eragon guide book.


With all that done, let’s delve into the prologue of Murtagh. Or rather, as Paolini has decided to call it, the “argument.” Do you think that’s better or worse than calling it a preface?


TT: He should have called it Apology. Yes, that’s a double entendre.


E: He owes an awful lot of people an apology, one which will not be forthcoming.


A: Heh. I’m personally in the camp of it being just about on the same level, because “arguments” actually are a thing in literature. An argument in literature is essentially a thesis statement, a brief summary that precedes a work. It was pretty common in the Renaissance and was mostly used for poems.


E: I have a degree in Literature and I’ve still never heard of this. Being obscure does not make you clever, Chris.


A: Indeed it does not, especially given that this “argument” is more of an introduction or prologue. Most of it is focused on providing background and recapping, in the most general possible terms, the events of the Inheritance Cycle. There’s only one line that could count as an “argument” in the literary sense, and it’s pretty weak. But for now, let’s take things as they come.


Since the argument is pretty short, I see no reason not to go through it paragraph by paragraph with full quotes. Let’s see how Paolini begins this foray back into his first literary universe.


Behold, the land of Alagaësia, vast and verdant, full of mystery. Here stand mountains that scrape the stars, forests as fathomless as an ocean, deserts scorched to barrenness, and more besides. Throughout, one will find divers peoples and creatures, from hardy humans to long-lived elves to deep-dwelling dwarves to war-wedded Urgals. And above all else, dragons—bright and brilliant and terrifying in their ancient glory.


E: They’re so bright and brilliant and terrifying that they do absolutely fuck all! Chinook says she finds this bit patronising and offensive. 


A: There are parts of this that might not bother me so much if they were coming from any other writer. The alliteration, for example. I like alliteration most of the time, but Paolini really seems to be going a bit overboard with it, and because it’s him and he’s done so much already to exhaust my supply of goodwill, I can’t help but be annoyed. There is one thing, however, that would annoy me no matter who did it, and that’s “divers”. That’s not a typo, and it’s not even incorrect provided you’re a bit liberal with the interpretation. “Divers” as an adjective is its own right meaning “multiple and different,” though semantically it’s a bit more heavy on the number and light on the variety than “diverse”. I’m not even going to quibble with the fact that it’s archaic as all hell. I’m going to quibble with it being used in a context where “diverse” would also make sense. Most modern readers are not familiar with “divers”, so when they see it in a context where “diverse” would also make sense, they’re just going to assume it’s a typo. That’s not a very good foot to get off on in your prologue.


TT: For me personally, the word divers in this context heavily calls back to Terry Pratchett, specifically the Wyrd Sisters book:


‘Divers alarums and excursions', she read, uncertainly. 'That means lots of terrible happenings, said Magrat. 'You always put that in plays.'

‘Alarums and what?', said Nanny Ogg, who hadn't been listening.

‘Excursions', said Magrat patiently.

‘Oh.' Nanny Ogg brightened a bit. 'The seaside would be nice,' she said.

‘Oh do shut up, Gytha,' said Granny Weatherwax. 'They're not for you. They're only for divers, like it says. Probably so they can recover from all them alarums.’


A: I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where he first read it.


TT: I would argue that it’s also used incorrectly in Paolini’s sentence. The specific definition is “an unspecified number more than one”, NOT an archaic way of spelling “diverse” with essentially the same meaning, the way Paolini’s used it here. “Divers people” means “more than one person”, not “a diverse range of different groups of people”. If I were editing, I’d tell him to add the final e.


A: As would I. Even if his intent was the meaning of “divers”, the context makes it ambiguous enough that people are definitely going to parse it as “diverse”.


E: Once again we are reminded of the famous Mark Twain quote. “The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter. ’tis the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.”


TT: Last point, the peoples of Alagaesia are hardly “an undefined number greater than one”. Assuming the use of “peoples” to mean racial or political groups, there isn’t an undefined number. There’s eight. Counting Surdan humans, nomadic humans, and settled Broddring humans as separate groups, but not counting Ra’zac or spirits. Counting all the humans as one racial group, there are five groups of people. Five is hardly divers.


A: Five? I would count six: humans, elves, dwarves, Urgals, dragons, and werecats. It’s interesting, by the way, that Paolini doesn’t include werecats here, considering they’re going to appear somewhat prominently in this book.


For the past century, King Galbatorix reigned as tyrant over most of the human-settled lands and was a terror to the other races as well. By his will, the dragons were broken, and their numbers much reduced until only few remained.


TT: A tyrant who maintained safe trading roads, a standing army patrolling trade routes between cities, religious artistic and intellectual freedom, and basically left everyone alone to live their lives while he brooded in his melodramatic cave-castle. 


E: Chinook says that’s not at all what happened, and she’s quite irate about it. When was he “a terror to the other races”, exactly? No, killing elves and dwarves during the war doesn’t count. They were attacking him. After which he left them to their own devices. I absolutely refuse point-blank to believe that he somehow didn’t know where Ellesmera was. 


A: Paolini would have us believe that Galbatorix was anti-intellectual-freedom and burned books and such, but we never actually see that happening. We just get told that he censored stuff, and the people who say he censored stuff are largely his in-universe political opponents, who probably aren’t the most reliable of sources. Regardless of how you interpret that, though, all the other points stand, especially the “basically leaving everyone alone” point. Hell, Surda managed to secede from his Empire! The only time Galbatorix leaves Uru’baen in the course of the Inheritance Cycle (offscreen, I might add) is to punish Marcus Tábor, the governor of Dras-Leona, for abuse of power.


Those brave folk who opposed Galbatorix fled into the hinterlands, where they came to call themselves the Varden. There they dwelt, with little hope for victory, until the dragon Saphira hatched for the human Eragon.


A: “Hatched for” is a very setting-specific phrasing. Given that this book is supposed to be accessible to new readers, I would suggest changing it to something like “the dragon Saphira chose the human Eragon to be her Rider.” New readers still won’t know the full implications of that, but it’s a lot easier to parse. Not to mention it just sounds more grand, and we all know how Paolini loves to sound grand.


E: “Hatched for” is also still really demeaning to Saphira. When you were born, were you “born for” a third party’s benefit? Unless you’re one of those organ donor babies or a royal heir, I doubt it. When Chinook hatched I made a point of not touching her until we’d gotten to know each other, and even then I let her initiate it. 


Together—and under the wise leadership of the Lady Nasuada—they marched against Galbatorix’s empire.


A: I really hate that em-dash parenthetical. Setting aside the content, here’s my line-edit:


Together, under the leadership of the Lady Nasuada, they marched against Galbatorix’s empire.


A: THERE, I FiXED IT. Seriously, though, doesn’t it flow so much better without the em-dashes? What are his editors even doing? And yes, like Fractal Noise, this book had multiple editors.


E: MULTIPLE EDITORS? What the actual bleeding hell? How were none of them checking for basic continuity? Whoever they are, they should be sacked and blacklisted from the industry because that level of incompetence is absolutely inexcusable. Also I like that you removed the highly inaccurate “wise” while you were at it. Wise. Right. Now there’s a laugh. 


A: Honestly, I didn’t even notice I’d removed that until you pointed it out.


Now the king is slain, and the war to overthrow him is ended, and the land entered a state of renewal.


A: The abuse of tenses here is physically painful to me.


TT: It gives me a tension headache.


Yet even in this peace, shadows stir, and there are whispers of strange happenings about the edges of Alagaësia, and of these, one man seeks to know the truth… 


A: That’s the line I referred to earlier, the one that could be considered a proper argument in the literary sense. 


E: One, did we seriously have to go with the “But ONE MAN…” cliche which even action movie trailers have long since dropped for being far too cheesy, and two, WHAT ABOUT THORN? This makes it sound like Murtagh’s completely on his own (which he might as well be given how utterly pointless Thorn is rendered). The book hasn’t even started yet and Thorn is already being treated as completely superfluous. 


TT: #NotMyNamelessShadow


A: That’s not the end, though. Before we move on to the first chapter, we have to get through… a poem.


TT: Worse, a Paoem.


A: Yeah. Brace yourselves, folks.


E: Christ, what did I do to deserve this? *pause* Oh, right. That thing. *hangs head in shame* Do your worst.


To hold the center amid a storm,

To cleave or cling or seize the standard?

‘Tis a question troubles even

The broadest mind. A stand of aspen

Grows as tall and strong as the lonely

Oak. Honor demands, duty compels,

And love cajoles, but the self insists.

Quandaries 14-20

Atten the Red


A: The first few lines of this are… better than usual? The alliteration lends it a bit of poetic flair that a lot of Paolini’s past poetry distinctly lacked. Unfortunately, it still falls apart pretty quickly. I think all of that enjambment may be intended to emphasize the confusion sparked by the “quandary” in question, but it doesn’t really work, because the surrounding text is basically an Ice Cream Koan word salad that doesn’t really tie into an identifiable point.


TT: What is it even about? Part of the poem seems to be about being true to your convictions, but the second half seems to be talking about the power of friendship. It doesn’t really have a clear message or theme. It was clearly inspired by Hamlet’s “to be or not to be” soliloquy, but lacks clear message and direction. The 9-7-9-9-9-9 metre is a lot more consistent than Paolini’s previous poems, credit to Chris for learning how to count syllables, but it’s not really consistent in the syllable stress patterns:


-/-/-/-/-

- -/-/-/-

-/-/-/-/-

/-/-/- -/-

//- -//- -/

-/-/- -/-/ 


Some of the lines are sort-of iambic, one of the lines is almost trochaic, but none of it is consistent enough to really fit a good rhythm. It is a huge improvement over the Woolly Goat song, in that it can actually be set to music, with some finangling, but it’s still not what I’d call good enough to be featured in the prologue of an epic fantasy novel. It’s no “All That Is Gold Does Not Glitter” (Tolkien).


E: Great, and now he’s going down the road of including extracts from imaginary in-universe books; something I’ve always found obnoxious. Also I really wish he’d get over this obsession with “the centre will hold”. 


TT
: Look out for Chapter 1: Maddentide, coming soon courtesy of the wonderful ignoresandra.


A: I very much look forward to reading her thoughts. Until then, my fellow Anti-Shirts, namárië!

Date: 2023-11-26 09:18 pm (UTC)
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Another problem I forgot to mention: This isn't an argument.

Date: 2023-11-27 09:55 am (UTC)
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Ha, that was exactly what I thought of too! Love that sketch.

Date: 2023-11-27 10:14 am (UTC)
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Ha, that was exactly what I thought of too!

No you didn't.

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Date: 2023-11-26 10:19 pm (UTC)
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Now the king is slain, and the war to overthrow him is ended, and the land entered a state of renewal.

I love how it's a state of renewal with a looming cult and very little that actually shows people improving the land.

That’s not the end, though. Before we move on to the first chapter, we have to get through… a poem.

Paopao's really leaning into being store brand Tolkien. A lot of Tolkien's poems were included to show the lore of the world, big emotions felt and give a sense of traditions that people had. Meanwhile, Paolini just kind of throws in a poem. Like, it almost feels like one of those anime opening translations that don't quite work because the phrasing his just slightly off.

Date: 2023-11-27 12:13 am (UTC)
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A: Five? I would count six: humans, elves, dwarves, Urgals, dragons, and werecats. It’s interesting, by the way, that Paolini doesn’t include werecats here, considering they’re going to appear somewhat prominently in this book.

Actually, I counted werecats but not dragons.

Date: 2023-11-27 12:36 am (UTC)
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You can't acknowledge dragons as sapient race, they're not in the Player's Handbook.

Date: 2023-11-27 01:14 am (UTC)
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I more discounted them because they don't have a collective society. They may be sapient, but they don't have a collective leadership structure (that we know of), oral (telepathic) history traditions, shared religion/worldview/myths, forms of music or dance, medicine, or anything that resembles an actual society (not counting buildings and agriculture, because even among humans that's an incredibly reductive and colonialist way of defining a society).

Dragons may be sapient, but they aren't "a (society of) people" in the same way that humans, elves, dwarves, urgals, and werecats are "peoples".

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Date: 2023-11-27 01:50 am (UTC)
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Behold, the land of Alagaësia, vast and verdant, full of mystery. Here stand mountains that scrape the stars, forests as fathomless as an ocean, deserts scorched to barrenness, and more besides. Throughout, one will find divers peoples and creatures, from hardy humans to long-lived elves to deep-dwelling dwarves to war-wedded Urgals. And above all else, dragons—bright and brilliant and terrifying in their ancient glory.


This honestly feels like it's going for the same vibe as some of the old sword-and-sorcery stories, like Conan ("Know, oh prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities...") or Moorcock's Corum ("In those days there were oceans of light and cities in them skies and wild flying beasts of bronze..."). But those stories were really going for that feel of being in the time of myths, while Alagaesia doesn't really have the same vibe, and it makes it feel like Paolini is trying too hard more than anything.

I’m not even going to quibble with the fact that it’s archaic as all hell. I’m going to quibble with it being used in a context where “diverse” would also make sense. Most modern readers are not familiar with “divers”, so when they see it in a context where “diverse” would also make sense, they’re just going to assume it’s a typo. That’s not a very good foot to get off on in your prologue.

Really, this puts me in mind of conversations I've had IRL about deliberately "archaized" texts, and how no matter the language they're almost always easily sorted out from actual texts written in the time period they're aping because, well, there's a lot more to writing in an older style than just throwing in some "old-timey" vocabulary and calling it a day. On the other hand, it also puts me in mind of perhaps the first (pre-Tolkien - it predates LotR by several decades) modern high fantasy novel, ER Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros, which is written in meticulously reconstructed 17th-century style prose. And, in fact, I'd argue that's a major part of the Worm's relative obscurity - it can take work for even a dedicated modern reader to parse the damned thing (the other major reason being that some of it's thematic material has... let's be kind and say "aged really terribly in a post-World Wars world").

It’s no “All That Is Gold Does Not Glitter” (Tolkien).

Tolkien had the advantage of being a trained philologist (and therefore intimately familiar with historical poetry, both narrative and otherwise, and how to fit it with the style and themes he was going for) as well as someone who was experienced at writing poetry of his own, not all of which was tied to his Middle-earth mythos. Most later fantasy writers who include poetry because that's what one does (looking at Paolini here, among others) don't have those advantages.

Date: 2023-11-27 09:59 am (UTC)
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One big problem, I think, is that Paolini seems unable to commit to a single vibe.

That's very true. He has an awful lot of tonal clash which has only gotten more pronounced over time. Attempts at grimdark are right next to childish jokes about hiccups which are right next to attempts at philosophy which are right next to attempts at being grand and epic. Like dude, you can't have it every way. Pick a tone and style and stick to it.

I've talked about this before, but I actually went to Reed College, the same school Paolini got into and chose not to attend, and I firmly believe that if he had actually gone, Eragon and his work as a whole would be much better for it.

Or he might have been unable to cope with the pressure after the easy ride he got for the first part of his education and dropped out after the first semester. The world will never know.

Date: 2023-11-27 04:05 am (UTC)
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it also puts me in mind of perhaps the first (pre-Tolkien - it predates LotR by several decades) modern high fantasy novel, ER Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros, which is written in meticulously reconstructed 17th-century style prose.

Ahem. Excuse me, Wood Beyond the World by William Morris predates The Worm Ouroboros by a few decades. It directly inspired Narnia, and indirectly inspired LOTR. And it is written entirely in reconstructed Chaucerian English.

Date: 2023-11-27 04:07 am (UTC)
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Ah, forgive me! *bows to your expertise* In my defense, I've not actually read that one.

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Date: 2023-11-27 04:48 am (UTC)
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I promised we’d be back and now the time has come. Chinook and I are, ironically, in a similar position to Murtagh and Thorn: on the run and hoping to avoid being found by Eragon and Saphira since we absconded from their godawful “Academy”.

(This sounds fun. I want to do this too, if it's okay.) Me and my dragon companion (they refuse to give themself a name yet) are running, too. One meeting with those creepy Eldunari and we decided to get out of there. Unfortunately, a couple of Eragon's elf lackeys were bitten in the process. Good luck and stay safe!

"Divers" was defined as being various for me. I read it in 16th century letters. That word really stood out to me because it was the only word/phrase that read as being from a past time period. The other sentences are not phrased archaically at all. Instead, they sound like Paolini is trying to imitate the way people in the early modern period wrote, but is not getting there.

Honor demands, duty compels, And love cajoles, but the self insists.

Honestly, I do like this last line. If Paolini had just left this there on its own, it would have been much better.

Date: 2023-11-27 10:02 am (UTC)
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(This sounds fun. I want to do this too, if it's okay.) Me and my dragon companion (they refuse to give themself a name yet) are running, too.

Oh my - good luck! Fortunately for us our pursuers are dumbasses. What colour is your dragon? For some reason I'm picturing bright lemon yellow: the same yellow as my Clue Bus!

Honestly, I do like this last line. If Paolini had just left this there on its own, it would have been much better.

He does that a lot, you may have noticed: comes up with something that's actually quite good and then ruins it because he just can't leave it at that.

Date: 2023-11-27 03:39 pm (UTC)
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Fortunately for us our pursuers are dumbasses.

Oh yeah. I've been hiding out with Galby loyalists for a few weeks in a city, and nobody has noticed me. One of those loyalist allies happens to be an elf. Funny how when Nasuada's people see the pointy ears they immediately become trusting.

What colour is your dragon? For some reason I'm picturing bright lemon yellow: the same yellow as my Clue Bus!

The scales are clear, like quartz crystal, but we've been experimenting with changing the scale color as a disguise, so they now look like yellow sulfur crystals. (Edit: Because I'm forgetful and accidentally copied Epistler's dragon's design, the scales are now officially sulfur yellow.) Additionally, their tail is oddly short, and they have a rounded spot with browner scales instead of an actual tip. They refused to "fix" themself with magic when offered. What about yours?

He does that a lot, you may have noticed: comes up with something that's actually quite good and then ruins it because he just can't leave it at that.

I noticed it in the Murtagh book. There would be a scene that was impactful, and then Murtagh would keep ruminating on it.

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Date: 2023-11-27 08:11 am (UTC)
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For this, I'll let some folks in you've probably not seen yet. Here is the Humanised Inquisitive Shy Common-Moorhen (HISC)!

(the HISC comes in. they are an anthro moorhen)

HISC: Well, I might not have your stature or expertise, but I do think you might find it nice to have me here.

If what I’ve seen in previews and my own skimming is any indication, we’re all going to need a lot of peace in our hearts to get through this without damaging something.

That ought to be easy enough for me. I will stay well away from the Muckmaw plotline, though.

A: Heh. I’m personally in the camp of it being just about on the same level, because “arguments” actually are a thing in literature. An argument in literature is essentially a thesis statement, a brief summary that precedes a work. It was pretty common in the Renaissance and was mostly used for poems.

Ah, I already thought he was using a literary technique somewhat inappropriately, but I had not heard of this before now. And indeed, this is more of an introduction. The blurb might even count as more of a proper argument than this one.

Since the argument is pretty short,

207 words, to be very precise.

And above all else, dragons—bright and brilliant and terrifying in their ancient glory.

The three dragons that currently have actual bodies, that is. None of which are older than three years. This would be more appropriate for Alalëa, I would think.

Also, this sounds more like an excerpt from a travel guide than an introduction.

"divers" discussion

Why try to go for an "archaic" tone, Paolini? It only makes you more likely to be misunderstood.

It’s interesting, by the way, that Paolini doesn’t include werecats here, considering they’re going to appear somewhat prominently in this book.

Certainly. That is a little misleading.

By his will, the dragons were broken, and their numbers much reduced until only few remained.

Well, that is blatantly untrue. I think Kerlois has amply deconstructed this claim with their devil's advocate. In short, unless Galbatorix went overseas, which we know he did not, he cannot have done this. And if Paolini did not want this implication, he should not have written "The Worm of Kulkaras".

In fact, let me start up the count for continuity errors you talked about.

Continuity Errors: 2 (one for this, one for Galbatorix being a "terror to the other races")

Those brave folk who opposed Galbatorix fled into the hinterlands, where they came to call themselves the Varden.

"Hinterlands" is not quite the best word to use here. I see that the main definitions are "land behind a coast" and "undeveloped area", neither of which are applicable here. Not to mention that it was first used in 1888. Something like "the fringes of Alagaësia" would be far more applicable.

Together—and under the wise leadership of the Lady Nasuada—they marched against Galbatorix’s empire.

Never mind the Varden, of course. Also, what "wise" leadership of exhausting her army before they ever reached Urû'baen, for poorly explained reasons.

And yes, like Fractal Noise, this book had multiple editors.

They have done some things, since the first chapter is somewhat different from the extract you reviewed, but they apparently could not prevent several grammatical errors from slipping in throughout the book.

Now the king is slain, and the war to overthrow him is ended, and the land entered a state of renewal.

I would argue that tense change is not what is happening here. I think the later part would be "the war to overthrow him is ended, and the land is entered a state of renewal", and then the second "is" would have been removed.

Also, the land "entered a state of renewal" when the Riders were destroyed, not just now.

and of these, one man seeks to know the truth…

Never mind that we will find out that the werecats were investigating this already, and on a larger scale.

Continuity Errors: 3

poem

It is far from the worst I have seen from him, though I have trouble deriving meaning from it. Also, this should be "Quandaries 14-20".

I think all of that enjambment may be intended to emphasize the confusion sparked by the “quandary” in question,

On that topic, I do like the "Oak" at the beginning of the line, to emphasise that it is lonely. Unfortunately, it is also very clumsy.

Well, until chapter 4, and good luck, everyone!

Date: 2023-11-27 08:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pangolin20

HISC: Yes, it is very badly written. In fact, I think this book may have more outright grammar errors than the other Inheritance books...

Date: 2023-11-27 10:05 am (UTC)
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(the HISC comes in. they are an anthro moorhen))

We have moorhens around here! They're so cute.

I will stay well away from the Muckmaw plotline, though.

Good idea; it's incredibly infuriating and will probably raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels.

Why try to go for an "archaic" tone, Paolini? It only makes you more likely to be misunderstood.

And lest we forget this series is supposed to be aimed at 14 year olds.

They have done some things, since the first chapter is somewhat different from the extract you reviewed, but they apparently could not prevent several grammatical errors from slipping in throughout the book.

Not to mention dozens of honking great continuity errors.

Date: 2023-11-27 10:20 am (UTC)
pangolin20: A picture of a common moorhen by water. (HISC)
From: [personal profile] pangolin20

We have moorhens around here! They're so cute.

HISC: Why, thank you for the compliment!

Good idea; it's incredibly infuriating and will probably raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels.

Yes, and this way, Ormuva the sturgeon can comment on Muckmaw the "sturgeon".

Also, this is the fourth character in this series whose life has been shaped to suit another's needs, and who has gone through severe mental and physical distress. The others would be Thorn, Blagden and Elva. Too bad he cannot do them much justice.

Not to mention dozens of honking great continuity errors.

Thorn having a stubbed tail despite him scratching Saphira with it earlier, for example. It is basically an AU, for how much it diverges.

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Date: 2024-09-04 08:29 am (UTC)
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Together—and under the wise leadership of the Lady Nasuada—they marched against Galbatorix’s empire.

Never mind the Varden, of course. Also, what "wise" leadership of exhausting her army before they ever reached Urû'baen, for poorly explained reasons.


Why is she being referred to as "Lady" here anyway? She's not nobility. I don't remember anyone calling her father "Lord".

Date: 2023-11-27 08:15 pm (UTC)
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The idea of using a prologue in your sequel to a series of fiction books with long established lore that you are publishing years later isn't a bad one. It's a great way to recap the story for old readers and make the backstory accessible to new readers without having one or more chapters that waxes poetic about all the stuff that happened before.

This segment does a decent job of recapping, but it recaps in much too general a way. This isn't in the Inheritance cycle. This is specifically a "World of Eragon" book about Murtagh. I submit that the prologue/argument should be told in-character by Murtagh to establish how Murtagh's perspective of the war differs from Eragon's and prime the audience for this being a different kind of Alagaesia story. You could do a bunch of fun things with that concept but it would help establish that while this is a story set in Alagaesia it is NOT part of the Cycle.

Now on to the poem.

To hold the center amid a storm,
To cleave or cling or seize the standard?
‘Tis a question troubles even
The broadest mind. A stand of aspen
Grows as tall and strong as the lonely
Oak. Honor demands, duty compels,
And love cajoles, but the self insists.

—Quandaries 14-20
Atten the Red


The quality of poetry varies wildly. I'm not going to quibble with the syllable number or stresses as it's a valid poetic technique to change up your rhyme scheme during the poem for various effects (Although the fact I can't discern why one line is 7 syllables instead of 9 isn't a great sign). My issue is that it's too difficult to discern the point of this poem. First we start talking about staying the course even though it's hard, and then it just moves on to comparing trees and virtues.

Simile and metaphor are time honored techniques, but you need to actually compare these things. This poem doesn't do that. "Lonely oak" might be an acceptable comparison for "holding the center" in a storm, but that's ruined by the out of context point about aspen.

Date: 2023-11-28 03:08 am (UTC)
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The idea of using a prologue in your sequel to a series of fiction books with long established lore that you are publishing years later isn't a bad one. It's a great way to recap the story for old readers and make the backstory accessible to new readers without having one or more chapters that waxes poetic about all the stuff that happened before.

It'd be a nice touch if Murtagh could go five seconds without reminiscing or wangsting about something that happened in the series. As it, it's kind of wasted.

Date: 2023-11-28 10:25 am (UTC)
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We definitely spend way too much time inside his head. I guess some of the references to past events are kind of nostalgic and it's sort of nice to have a few missing details filled in, but it's at the expense of the story we're supposed to be following at the present moment. Such as it is.

I'm currently just over halfway through and the main villain FINALLY shows up, and quite frankly the entire first half of the book has now been rendered absolutely pointless. We did NOT need 300 pages of buildup to Murtagh and Thorn getting to the place where the main action is supposedly going to take place.

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Date: 2023-11-28 10:23 am (UTC)
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My issue is that it's too difficult to discern the point of this poem. First we start talking about staying the course even though it's hard, and then it just moves on to comparing trees and virtues.

He has a habit of writing poems and songs whose focus and message keep wandering all over the place. Remember the song those goddamn elves sing in Eldest when Eragon first meets them, which keeps wandering between being about pretty forest imagery to Arya's loss, to bloodthirsty stuff about killing Galby? It's like, what is this thing even supposed to be about?

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